This is NOT art.
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cynchickI look at DeviantART daily, to check my messages and see what new art was been posted. I've noticed this pattern for a while, but today it really stood out.
There were 12 pictures of female nudity on the front page. Twelve. And some of them were frankly grotesque.
Like, "lets see how ginormous I can digitally make this girl's tits compared to her frame", or "Lets tie strings around a girl's groin to mimic a rape kit and then take a close up shot of her hoohaa".
I have nothing against nudity, as you all know from some of my own art, and appreciate an artistic nude photo (in fact nude photography was a big part of how I learned to draw the human figure). But most of these are in no way artistic. Yes, art is subjective blah blah. But these. Are just ugly. Gratuitous. Porn. There is little to no skill on the photographer's part, and little artistry in the setting/pose/etc. Playboy is more artistic than some of this shit.
And if you try to report it? Because some of them aren't just distasteful, they're downright gross and offensive.... Well if you report it DA will tell you they did nothing to violate the terms of use because in order to be considered pornography they have to be touching their genitals or inserting something into it. Seriously. And believe me, these "photographers" know how to push the boundary and get away with it.
Meanwhile, many fanartists (including myself) have their work repeatedly deleted by mods who have flat out called us pedophiles who try to hide their perversions by slapping boobs on 12yr old girls and claiming their over 18. That's almost a direct quote. Even if your character, Sakura for example, is an obvious adult in the picture, you're still a sick pedo. The DA terms even state that a character will always be considered their orignal age, regardless of "aging up" or even canon timeskips. Like Kagome being 18 and marrying Inuyasha at the end of the series? Never happened. And by the way, most of the fanart that gets deleted for violations are not nude or sexual in nature. They are pictures of kissing and cuddling.
See a problem here?
I'm tired of the double standard and blatant discrimination against fanartists. I'm sick of the algorithm that determines what goes on the front page (If you didn't know, they pick the most popular deviations in each category, so something from Artisan Crafts might be there even if it only had 50 views because it was the top in its own category.) Which means the truly popular art might be on page 8 or 15. They do this because if they didn't, the first several pages would be dominated by fanart, because that's what most people are there for. DA hates this - they want to be a pretentious site for true artists.
I'm also sick of their search protocol, which posts results by title and not by subject. Even though they allow you to tag your deviations. I'll give a good example (and this isnt bragging, it's just a fact): My DeiSaku art is some of the most popular on the site. Yet if you do a search for "DeiSaku" what will come up is all the pics with DeiSaku in the title. These are not the best of Deisaku, because the artists of the better stuff generally bother to give their work a proper title. After wading through roughly 10 pages of doodles and such with 10-100 favorites, you will finally see my most faved (1125 and counting) DeiSaku pic "Stay". How is this system accurate? When you search for most popular all time, you should get most popular all time.
Anyway, this has turned into a really long rant starting with what crap passes for art, and ending up at how I despise DA in general. From this, to getting my art stolen constantly (and then told it violated policy anyway when I reported it), I've had it with that fucking site. I don't have the time, energy, or skill to make my own fansite, but I think I'm going to stop paying those assholes money for a premium account.
There were 12 pictures of female nudity on the front page. Twelve. And some of them were frankly grotesque.
Like, "lets see how ginormous I can digitally make this girl's tits compared to her frame", or "Lets tie strings around a girl's groin to mimic a rape kit and then take a close up shot of her hoohaa".
I have nothing against nudity, as you all know from some of my own art, and appreciate an artistic nude photo (in fact nude photography was a big part of how I learned to draw the human figure). But most of these are in no way artistic. Yes, art is subjective blah blah. But these. Are just ugly. Gratuitous. Porn. There is little to no skill on the photographer's part, and little artistry in the setting/pose/etc. Playboy is more artistic than some of this shit.
And if you try to report it? Because some of them aren't just distasteful, they're downright gross and offensive.... Well if you report it DA will tell you they did nothing to violate the terms of use because in order to be considered pornography they have to be touching their genitals or inserting something into it. Seriously. And believe me, these "photographers" know how to push the boundary and get away with it.
Meanwhile, many fanartists (including myself) have their work repeatedly deleted by mods who have flat out called us pedophiles who try to hide their perversions by slapping boobs on 12yr old girls and claiming their over 18. That's almost a direct quote. Even if your character, Sakura for example, is an obvious adult in the picture, you're still a sick pedo. The DA terms even state that a character will always be considered their orignal age, regardless of "aging up" or even canon timeskips. Like Kagome being 18 and marrying Inuyasha at the end of the series? Never happened. And by the way, most of the fanart that gets deleted for violations are not nude or sexual in nature. They are pictures of kissing and cuddling.
See a problem here?
I'm tired of the double standard and blatant discrimination against fanartists. I'm sick of the algorithm that determines what goes on the front page (If you didn't know, they pick the most popular deviations in each category, so something from Artisan Crafts might be there even if it only had 50 views because it was the top in its own category.) Which means the truly popular art might be on page 8 or 15. They do this because if they didn't, the first several pages would be dominated by fanart, because that's what most people are there for. DA hates this - they want to be a pretentious site for true artists.
I'm also sick of their search protocol, which posts results by title and not by subject. Even though they allow you to tag your deviations. I'll give a good example (and this isnt bragging, it's just a fact): My DeiSaku art is some of the most popular on the site. Yet if you do a search for "DeiSaku" what will come up is all the pics with DeiSaku in the title. These are not the best of Deisaku, because the artists of the better stuff generally bother to give their work a proper title. After wading through roughly 10 pages of doodles and such with 10-100 favorites, you will finally see my most faved (1125 and counting) DeiSaku pic "Stay". How is this system accurate? When you search for most popular all time, you should get most popular all time.
Anyway, this has turned into a really long rant starting with what crap passes for art, and ending up at how I despise DA in general. From this, to getting my art stolen constantly (and then told it violated policy anyway when I reported it), I've had it with that fucking site. I don't have the time, energy, or skill to make my own fansite, but I think I'm going to stop paying those assholes money for a premium account.
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Date: 2010-06-10 01:37 pm (UTC)Anyway, I might've mentioned this before, but for your explicit stuff, you could just censor it and think link offsite (like to hentai-foundry), which is what I do. It's worked out pretty well so far. I haven't had any of the censored stuff deleted. Then again, my dA popularity in no way rivals yours, so. :S
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Date: 2010-06-11 01:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-11 04:20 am (UTC)I tried to submit a couple things to hentai-foundry, and they sent me this email:
Your picture #73169 ("mmf") was rejected by SH-44154.c4b3c
The given reason(s) are: Please utilize the ''Scraps'' feature when posting sketches/WIPs.
The quality of the lines and colors in this pic are not suited for the gallery
Motherfucker, I will tell you if the lines and colors in MY picture are suitable for MY gallery. If I don't think it's a fucking scrap, it's not a scrap.
Damn, I can't remember the last time I raged this hard.
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Date: 2010-06-11 05:57 am (UTC)i mean.
ITS A FUCKING HENTAI SITE FOR FUCKS SAKE.
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Date: 2010-06-11 02:02 am (UTC)So be careful.
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Date: 2010-06-11 02:13 am (UTC)If I get banned, que sera sera. That'll be a pretty good indication to move on.
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Date: 2010-06-11 03:29 am (UTC)But then again, its not the end of the world for folks like us who really dont care, lol
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Date: 2010-06-11 04:01 am (UTC)