oh sure there are fanon ideas to disagree with. you should already know! XD
like the idea that konan loved yahiko and is following nagato around in all his :FFF just so she can be near the corpse of the guy she loved. it assumes two things which are both fail: 1. it has to be yahiko she loved because he's the better looking/more typical heroic one and theres no way a wierd emo kid deserves the love of a beautiful girl. 2. konan is shallow enough to cling to yahikos form even knowing its nagato inside, which would make her kind of a skank, honsestly.
another fanon idea i dont like (and this is found mostly in akatsuki fics) is that he is abusive to her in some way. ok, weve seen that in his self-deluded :FFF he can sometimes forget to consider her feelings, but even so hes always very protective and respectful to her. its like they get this idea that because shes so reserved, shes meek and docile, and they associate meek and docile with pathetic mousy women who let men control and abuse them. it basically boils down to genderfail and lack of understanding about any of the more complex personality types.
Lol, I actually had the first one and a bit of the second one in mind when I asked the question, myself, but I wanted to see if those were what you'd bring to mind first. XD;
I have to agree 100%, though. Konan was very close to Yahiko and Nagato, and I suppose it's possible she loved both of them equally, but in different ways. I think, though, in my mind, Yahiko was a bit apart from Konan+Nagato, simply because Konan is a natural comfort-giver and Yahiko MOSTLY (except for that one :Flashback) did not need her comfort. He was always up ahead talking about his own :FFF while Nagato and Konan were kind of holding back looking perplexed. She and Nagato were just on the same quiet, introverted wavelength, I think.
I will also add that in those fics with the premise you're talking about, a lot of times Nagato is portrayed as so sad that he can't have Konan's affections, and so jealous of the relationship between Konan and Yahiko. I really hate that, too, because it assumes the emo kid is really given to jealousy of his friends, when in the flashbacks we saw, he never seemed at all unsure of his place with the other two, or like he resented anything about their friendship, even if they were actually together first and thus he may have had some legitimate reason for jealousy. But no, he was always lost in his own little :FFF world, even as a child.
As to the abuse: Yes, I see that sometimes, too, and I agree. Pain is not abusive to Konan. Lol, if anything, he's abusive to HIMSELF and he hurts her from his SELF-abuse, which is still douchey, but it's a bit different. XD;
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Date: 2009-06-01 04:31 pm (UTC)like the idea that konan loved yahiko and is following nagato around in all his :FFF just so she can be near the corpse of the guy she loved. it assumes two things which are both fail: 1. it has to be yahiko she loved because he's the better looking/more typical heroic one and theres no way a wierd emo kid deserves the love of a beautiful girl. 2. konan is shallow enough to cling to yahikos form even knowing its nagato inside, which would make her kind of a skank, honsestly.
another fanon idea i dont like (and this is found mostly in akatsuki fics) is that he is abusive to her in some way. ok, weve seen that in his self-deluded :FFF he can sometimes forget to consider her feelings, but even so hes always very protective and respectful to her. its like they get this idea that because shes so reserved, shes meek and docile, and they associate meek and docile with pathetic mousy women who let men control and abuse them. it basically boils down to genderfail and lack of understanding about any of the more complex personality types.
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Date: 2009-06-01 05:17 pm (UTC)I have to agree 100%, though. Konan was very close to Yahiko and Nagato, and I suppose it's possible she loved both of them equally, but in different ways. I think, though, in my mind, Yahiko was a bit apart from Konan+Nagato, simply because Konan is a natural comfort-giver and Yahiko MOSTLY (except for that one :Flashback) did not need her comfort. He was always up ahead talking about his own :FFF while Nagato and Konan were kind of holding back looking perplexed. She and Nagato were just on the same quiet, introverted wavelength, I think.
I will also add that in those fics with the premise you're talking about, a lot of times Nagato is portrayed as so sad that he can't have Konan's affections, and so jealous of the relationship between Konan and Yahiko. I really hate that, too, because it assumes the emo kid is really given to jealousy of his friends, when in the flashbacks we saw, he never seemed at all unsure of his place with the other two, or like he resented anything about their friendship, even if they were actually together first and thus he may have had some legitimate reason for jealousy. But no, he was always lost in his own little :FFF world, even as a child.
As to the abuse: Yes, I see that sometimes, too, and I agree. Pain is not abusive to Konan. Lol, if anything, he's abusive to HIMSELF and he hurts her from his SELF-abuse, which is still douchey, but it's a bit different. XD;