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[cynchick]

Give me a character/pairing from any fandom I participate in and I'll give you one fanon that I don't agree with.

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[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Deidara.

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

ha, you picked the one i could rage for days about. i hate fanon!deidara when hes portrayed as:

1. sissypants uke
2. vainglorious, must have a blowdryer or die
3. anybody's bitch
4. sensitive, poetic teddybear once you get to know him

i could probably go on. XD

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

1.) Deidara would be the bitchiest uke ever. Just... EVER.

2.) Yeah, cause massive explosions are so neat and tidy.

4.) Aren't all crazy killers? I mean *sparkly eyes* Itachi is!

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

Aren't all crazy killers? I mean *sparkly eyes* Itachi is!

but you have to remember that Itachi *swoons* is a saint!

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

He's Uchicha, which I think is more pertinant. /snark.

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

yes! all uchihas are super sexy awesome and can do no wrong! :3

[syl-luvs-silver.livejournal.com]

saku/ita.

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

I cant stand when hes cruel or abusive to her in any way...especially fanons penchant for itasaku rape fics.

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even before we knew he was sekritly good, Itachi would NEVER lower himself to such a degrading act. he doesnt need to rape someone to instill fear, dominance or psychological trauma. its absolutely ridiculous.

also dislike the fanon idea that sakura would only be into itachi as a way to get back at sasuke, or to get sasukes notice. i dislike itasakusasu triangles in general.

[hieronymousb.livejournal.com]

Butting in to really randomly say... I don't know if this counts as "fanon" that one could disagree with, but my ItaSaku-related pet peeve is that a lot of the 'fics I've glanced at for that pairing (I don't seek it out myself, but I have a friend who will sometimes complain about some of these) seem... really generic? I mean, I guess any pairing has its share of fic that's generic, but I've seen a lot of non-massacre AUs in which my honest impression is that "Itachi" and "Sakura" could just as easily be substituted for "Joe" and "Cindy", or any other two people ever.

I totally have a certain specific author in mind as I say this, but I don't want to say who, as that'd be mean, though it's not anyone I know personally or have ever talked to. And wow, don't I feel like a jerk for even saying that, but MAN, I hate generic!fic. Like, I wish 'fic would be either good or so bad as to be MST-worthy. Generic!fic is generic.

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

yeah, im not really a fan of nonmass AUs in general, because they do tend to be really...bland. i think i know who/what fics youre talking about...they write a ton of AUs now, and their canon world, villain!itachi fics were SO much better.

nonmass AU itachi is actually a pretty boring guy. i see him as a workaholic who spends what free time he allows himself reading or something nonsocial. as horrible as it is to say, without all the psychological trauma, both he and sasuke arent terribly interesting personalities.

but i think its really just a lack of imagination that make AUs so lame, because everything doesnt have to be all domestic and safe. just because the massacre didnt happen doesnt mean there arent a lot of other things to write about. what if the mass didnt happen, but the clan still wants a coup? what if there was another war? i mean, i duuno. they get caught up on the fact "there was no massacre" and forget that the fic actually still needs a plot.

[hieronymousb.livejournal.com]

For me, the massacre is SUCH a huge crux of Itachi's character/background that doing away with it would be like 'fic in which Yahiko and Nagato's parents never died and he never became an arch-villain... which okay, I just saw a story on FFN the other day which had THAT premise, too, but to my mind, such AU ideas would change the whole character so much that I kind of think, what's the point? I'd probably only write something like that if the whole point of the 'fic were actually to prove an interesting concept about how things could've been different/where they could've gone (like the movie "It's a Wonderful Life", kind of).

What I don't like is when the massacre is done away with just so the pretty Itachi shell can be there without having to deal with his actual problems and the repercussions of his actions. I guess to me, it feels like a cop-out, and besides, Itachi is interesting mostly BECAUSE of his fucked up choices/life issues/dilemmas, and such things. But I guess if someone absolutely had to write non-massacre AU, it'd be nicer if they went the way you suggested and considered other options that still involved the problems a shinobi might otherwise face.

I'm not big on AUs, myself. Like, alternate timelines? Diverging from canon at some point? Okay, that's the whole idea behind most fanfic, but completely changing the character by doing away with some crucial event that MAKES the character who they are? Yeah, not my cuppa.

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

What I don't like is when the massacre is done away with just so the pretty Itachi shell can be there without having to deal with his actual problems and the repercussions of his actions.

Yes. This. Exactly.

[goldengrimoire.livejournal.com]

Sai.

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

Ugh, I hate when people portray him as obsessed with penises, or that teasing naruto about his weenie means hes totally ghey for him (or anyone else)and wants to suck it. GUYS MAKE FUN OF EACH OTHERS WANGS ALL THE TIME. He was insulting him, not obsessing over it. And he only said it TWICE!

Also bothers me that people think he really does think Sakura is a hag, or Ino is beautiful. Way to miss the entire point of WHY he said those things. And AGAIN, he hasnt said anything of the sort in AGES, not since Sakura beat the shit out of him for it, so I cant stand when he does it every 5 seconds in fic or treats it like its become an affectionate pet name for her.

[goldengrimoire.livejournal.com]

Definitely agreed on the penis thing.


I'm rather fond of Sai calling Sakura Ugly though when it comes to more humorous fics (not because he really thinks she's ugly, but because it riles her up.) If it's a more serious fic it doesn't work so well, however.

[itz-cindyrella.livejournal.com]

naruhina?

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

i dont like when in fic, naruto only notices/becomes interested in hinata because he cant have sakura, usually because shes with sasuke. aldkasjfsldkfj. the merits of naruhina are not ONLY as an alternative to sasusaku. and vice versa. and narusaku is not only an alternative to sasuhina, or whatever. the whole "THIS couple must be a consequence of THIS couple" is just fucking dumb. have legitimate reasons why you think a couple is good together or dont ship them.

[itz-cindyrella.livejournal.com]

thats true and i dunno if you have noticed it but in manga and anime sakura is looking more more mmm not ugly but weird but hinata is looking prettier maybe cuz at the end naruto will stay with hinata, i dunno thats how i see it, sakura is looking odd

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

I dont think she looks odd. She certainly looks a hell of a lot better than in the early manga. She has angular features (straight nose, pointed chin) but that doesnt make her odd or ugly. It means Kishi fails at drawing females (as well as writing them, but thats another story). Besides, I dont think Naruto or anyone else liked Sakura ONLY for her pretty. Thats a pretty shallow way of looking at it, really. And as :FFFF as Kishimoto is lately, I dont think he would purposely "uglify" a character so that it "makes more sense" for the hero to pick someone else.

[itz-cindyrella.livejournal.com]

well mabe i still think shes changing more and more in a weird way..
i supose is just me after all

[strange_quark]

Hm... how about Zutara?

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

hmm, well i havent read TOO many zutara fics and i make it a general rule to stay as far away from the avatar fandom/fanon as possible, but from what ive seen reading through fic summaries trying to find a good read:

i dont like the fanon idea of katara falling for zuko in some kind of hostage/stockholm scenario. because katata? yeah, i really dont think she would do that.

and i dont know for a fact that this is a fanon thing, im just making an educated guess, but i wouldnt like the idea that they develop a relationship ONLY because one or both of them was dumped/mistreated by their canon half. i just dislike the idea of basing a pairing on being a CONSEQUENCE of something else, and not shipping or acknowledging it for its own merits and plausibility.

[zelha.livejournal.com]

Aaaahahahahaha.

I'll give you three:

Sakura

Itachi

Kakashi

[kikyou-sama18.livejournal.com]

SasukexSakura ^-^

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

Lol, I dislike almost EVERYTHING about SasuSaku fanon. I really dont like the idea of SasuSaku canon! either. But ok, lemme list some specifics.

I dont like the idea that they will end up together simply because she loved him as a kid, or that she still loves him now. Theres no basis for her feelings still existing. It was years ago, he treated her like shit and left, and you know? PEOPLE CHANGE. I dont still have feelings for old boyfriends, let alone old crushes back in high school that never returned my feelings, or whatever. To me the idea of sasusaku seems to be based completely on the idea that no one changes, no one grows up and wants different things from life.

also, the entire concept of sakura even WANTING sasuke after the way he treated her is basically a giant pile of genderfail. me no like. XD

[kikyou-sama18.livejournal.com]

*nodnod*

I can see your point why you dislike the pairing all right. =)

I kinda disagree. *smile* I think it's just because we see life differently. Well...the experiences I have collected so far in this world say that people BASICALLY don't change. There can be some minor changes yes, knowing new people, new ways, new ideas can change you but not your very core.

That's why I shudder every time I see Naruto changing people like that. *looks at nagato*

Also if for Sakura Sasuke was just a crush I'd agree with you, but...ungh..well, love is kinda different. She was prepared to leave the village behind for him. *thinks* And unfortunately there are lots of people who are in love with someone till the end even though being treated like shit. *sad*


Oh well...sooooorry I know this meme is not about arguing about the reasons you give. *blushes*


And yyaaaaayy you updated!!! *runs off to read*

[hieronymousb.livejournal.com]

I want to say Pain/Konan... but there's PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH ACTUAL FANDOM FOR THERE TO BE DISAGREEMENTS WITH ANYTHING... SOBS. (And it's sad when their own canon just made them ridiculously OOC. HOW, KISHI?) I dunno. Ah, well. I'll try it regardless.

[cynchick.livejournal.com]

oh sure there are fanon ideas to disagree with. you should already know! XD

like the idea that konan loved yahiko and is following nagato around in all his :FFF just so she can be near the corpse of the guy she loved. it assumes two things which are both fail: 1. it has to be yahiko she loved because he's the better looking/more typical heroic one and theres no way a wierd emo kid deserves the love of a beautiful girl. 2. konan is shallow enough to cling to yahikos form even knowing its nagato inside, which would make her kind of a skank, honsestly.

another fanon idea i dont like (and this is found mostly in akatsuki fics) is that he is abusive to her in some way. ok, weve seen that in his self-deluded :FFF he can sometimes forget to consider her feelings, but even so hes always very protective and respectful to her. its like they get this idea that because shes so reserved, shes meek and docile, and they associate meek and docile with pathetic mousy women who let men control and abuse them. it basically boils down to genderfail and lack of understanding about any of the more complex personality types.

[hieronymousb.livejournal.com]

Lol, I actually had the first one and a bit of the second one in mind when I asked the question, myself, but I wanted to see if those were what you'd bring to mind first. XD;

I have to agree 100%, though. Konan was very close to Yahiko and Nagato, and I suppose it's possible she loved both of them equally, but in different ways. I think, though, in my mind, Yahiko was a bit apart from Konan+Nagato, simply because Konan is a natural comfort-giver and Yahiko MOSTLY (except for that one :Flashback) did not need her comfort. He was always up ahead talking about his own :FFF while Nagato and Konan were kind of holding back looking perplexed. She and Nagato were just on the same quiet, introverted wavelength, I think.

I will also add that in those fics with the premise you're talking about, a lot of times Nagato is portrayed as so sad that he can't have Konan's affections, and so jealous of the relationship between Konan and Yahiko. I really hate that, too, because it assumes the emo kid is really given to jealousy of his friends, when in the flashbacks we saw, he never seemed at all unsure of his place with the other two, or like he resented anything about their friendship, even if they were actually together first and thus he may have had some legitimate reason for jealousy. But no, he was always lost in his own little :FFF world, even as a child.

As to the abuse: Yes, I see that sometimes, too, and I agree. Pain is not abusive to Konan. Lol, if anything, he's abusive to HIMSELF and he hurts her from his SELF-abuse, which is still douchey, but it's a bit different. XD;

[caha-girls.livejournal.com]

I'm probably begging for heartbreak here, but...

Neji x Hinata?